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stella_lane•1h ago

Just came back from a refinery job in Baton Rouge, and I'm seeing a bad trend with apprentice grinder guards

I was working a turnaround at the Exxon refinery in Baton Rouge last month, and I noticed three different apprentices had removed the guards off their 4.5 inch angle grinders. One guy said it was easier to see his weld prep without the guard in the way. That's a broken leg or a sliced face waiting to happen. I stopped the whole crew and made them put the guards back on before we hit the scaffold. The foreman backed me up, but some of the older hands were rolling their eyes like I was being too careful. Has anyone else run into this on their sites, and how do you get it through to the young guys that this is not worth the risk?

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reese124•23h ago

Hit 1000 feet of weld on a single storage tank and it finally clicked why the old guys take their time

After I hit 1000 feet of weld on one storage tank last week, I finally understood why the old timers always preached patience instead of speed, has anyone else had that moment where a big number made you slow down?

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ward.jamie•1d ago

TIL why my old foreman always yelled about grinding wheel guards

Was swapping out a worn wheel on a 4.5 inch grinder at a job site in Gary last Tuesday and decided to leave the guard off for a change of pace. Three cuts in, a chunk of the wheel blew apart and caught me right in the forearm. Guess that $45 ER copay taught me a lesson about listening to the old guys.

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jamesm38•3d ago

That week in July at the Marathon refinery still sticks with me

Back in '03 we had a seven day turnaround where nothing went right. We were swapping out a feed preheat train and the crane broke down on day two. I remember Jim from Local 374 saying we'd be there till Christmas. We ended up working 84 hours that week and a rainstorm flooded the pit on Friday. Has anyone else had a job that just kept snowballing no matter what you did?

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stellaa69•3d ago

Had a 30 minute talk with a retired pipefitter at the union hall and now I'm rethinking my entire weld prep process

Ran into this old timer named Frank last Tuesday while waiting for my apprentice to grab some 6010 rods. He saw me marking up a layout and asked why I was grinding my bevels so clean. I told him that's just how I was taught. He laughed and said he's been welding 40 years and the only thing that matters is fit-up and getting the root open enough. Said I was wasting time making it pretty. Watched him do a quick demo on a scrap piece and I gotta admit his weld looked just as good as mine. Any of you guys cut back on the grinding and it worked out fine?

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wesley385•4d ago

Dropped $200 on a used slip roll for my shop and it paid itself off in two weeks

Picked up a beat up DiAcro slip roll from a closing fab shop in Gary, and after cleaning it up it bends 16 gauge like butter. Has anyone else scored good deals on old equipment that just works?

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uma_martinez•5d ago

Old hand told me to never trust a tape measure past 20 feet on a tank job

Back in 2019, I was fitting a 40 foot diameter storage tank down in Baton Rouge. This grizzled guy named Hank kept saying your tape measure lies after 20 feet if you don't account for sag. I blew him off and cut a ring that was off by almost an inch. Had to torch out the whole seam and start over with a second plate. Has anyone else run into that issue with long measurements on big diameter work?

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cole356•5d ago

Can we talk about how long a simple tube patch can actually take...

Spent 4 hours on a tube header repair last Tuesday that I figured would be a 45 minute gig... turned out the corrosion was hiding a crack that just kept growing every time I tried to weld it. Has anyone else run into hidden damage that ate up your whole shift?

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alice89•6d ago

Hit 200 welds today without a single rework

Been at this 12 years and that's never happened before. Checked my settings twice after the first 50 because I thought something was off. Anybody else hit a random milestone that caught them off guard?

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lucasjackson•6d ago

Hit 30 years in the trade this spring. Still shocks me sometimes.

I started as a helper back in 1994 on a big refinery job in Baton Rouge. Never thought I'd stick with boilermaking this long, but here I am. Hit the 30 year mark right after a big outage turnaround last April. It's wild to think about how many tubes I've rolled and how much rigging I've done since then. The gear is so different now, especially with how fast we can get weld tests done. Has anyone else been doing this long enough to see the old steam hammers go away completely?

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jamesm38•7d ago

Spent my first 5 years fighting with a worn-out bevel gauge

Used to think getting a perfect 45 on a tank head was pure luck until a old-timer named Walt pointed out my gauge had a 2 degree swing from years of drops and rust. Swapped to a digital one last Tuesday and cut a flange fit in half the time without a single re-do. Anyone else waste years fighting bad tools before somebody finally called it out?

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hunt.nora•7d ago

Stubborn about flux-core until I saw the difference on a 3/8 plate job

I always swore by stick for outdoor structural work, but last Tuesday I watched a guy run a bead with .045 dual shield that looked machined smooth compared to my spattery mess on the same joint. Has anyone else seen that kind of before-and-after clean up from switching wire?

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laura_allen•8d ago

Finally figured out why my bevel cuts were coming out wonky

Ngl, I spent a whole afternoon last week trying to line up a tank seam and kept getting a gap. Realized my square was off by 2 degrees after I dropped it on the shop floor - bought a new one for $12 and it fixed everything. Anybody else ever chase a bad cut for hours only to find it's your tool, not your hand?

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hayden_nelson85•11d ago

Old foreman told me to always purge my lines before welding and I blew it off

Last week I was in a rush on a job over at the Marathon refinery and skipped purging a 3/4 inch stainless line. Got a nasty inclusion that took me 4 hours to grind out and redo. Has anyone else had a shortcut backfire this bad on a tight deadline?

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alice89•12d ago

Taking layouts the old way vs. now with a laser

Back in '97 I was still snapping chalk lines with a partner for every flange. Now I use a Rotolazer on most jobs, cut my setup time in half. Still keep the chalk box handy though, lasers don't work in direct sun.

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logan236•13d ago

Finally switched to a soapstone marker for layout work

Used to do all my layout with a sharpie and it would burn off after the first torch pass. Buddy named Carl at the union hall in Gary showed me how soapstone holds up through multiple heats. Picked up a 4 pack for 8 bucks at the supply house last month. Anyone else still fighting with markers that vanish on you?

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alice89•14d ago

TIL that old timer at the union hall was right about torch tips

My first week on a job in Gary, this grizzled boiler guy told me to always use a size 2 tip for tube cutting instead of the 3 I grabbed, said it would save me cleanup time. I ignored him and spent 45 minutes grinding off slag while he finished his cut in 15 minutes. Has anyone else had a senior hand give them advice that seemed dumb but turned out golden?

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morgan898•14d ago

Took me 4 hours to fix a simple tube leak in a firetube boiler

Last week I had a tiny weep at a tube joint on a 250 HP boiler. I figured it'd be a quick roll job, maybe an hour tops. Turns out the beading tool was just a hair off and I kept chasing the same spot. After the fourth rebead and a lot of cussing, I finally got it sealed tight. Sometimes the little stuff humbles you more than a big repair. Any of you guys ever spend way too long on something that should have been a 20 minute fix?

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scott.miles•15d ago

The difference 6 months of proper rod storage made on our job site in Tulsa

I used to just leave my 7018 rods loose in the gang box until they got damp, and I couldn't figure out why half my welds on a tank repair last fall looked like trash. Then a older hand showed me his heated rod oven and I started keeping everything at 250 degrees like he said. Has anyone else seen a night and day change after getting strict with rod storage?

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terryk10•15d ago

Just had a stainless steel weld fail on me mid-job at a refinery in Gary

Tbh I was about 40 feet up on a scaffold at the BP plant in Gary, Indiana, welding a support bracket onto a feed tank. I thought I had the heat dialed in right but about halfway through, the puddle just went to crap and the whole thing cracked right down the middle. My foreman saw it from the ground and started yelling up at me, asking what the heck I was doing. Honestly I froze for a second, then I just told him I needed to drop down and re-prep the joint. Ended up grinding it all out, using a different filler rod, and cranking the amps down by 15. Took me an extra 45 minutes but the second pass held like a champ. Has anyone else had a weld go sideways on a high-stakes job and had to talk their way through it?

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sean782•16d ago

My apprentice handed me a tape measure backwards and I lost 20 minutes on a simple layout

So I had this little tank job down at the ethanol plant near Decatur last Tuesday, just a 10 foot diameter thing with a normal straight shell and an elliptical head. My apprentice, kid's been with me maybe 4 months, he's fitting up the shell and I ask him for the tape measure. He hands it to me with the hook facing the wrong way, the numbers were upside down and I just grabbed it without looking. I spent about 20 minutes trying to figure out why my measurements were off by a half inch on every mark. I finally looked down and realized he'd flipped the tape, but I had already cut a 4 foot section too short. Had to weld in a filler piece and grind it down, just a pain in the rear. Has anyone else had an apprentice do something simple that cost way more time than it should have?

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morgan898•16d ago

Old-timer told me my flanges were too tight, changed everything

Was working on a feedwater heater at a plant outside Baton Rouge last Tuesday, and this retired guy walks by to grab his lunchbox. He stops, watches me torque a flange, and says 'son you're gonna crack that thing by morning.' I was like nah, I follow the spec sheet to the letter. But he pulled out a little worn chart from his wallet showing how thermal expansion on a 200 psi system means you actually back off a quarter turn after initial torque. Decided to try it on the next set of bolts, and sure enough the gasket seated way better without that metal strain feel. Been doing it that way ever since and haven't had a leak call back in 6 months. Anyone else ever get a tip like that from someone who's been doing this since before we had digital torque wrenches?

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keith_rivera19•17d ago

Overheard an old-timer at the hall change my mind on those pre-ground welding rods

He said he saw three guys fail a bend test last month using them because the flux was too dry, so I'm switching back to cutting my own rods for the big jobs.

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davis.adam•17d ago

That old foreman told me to grind down my weld toes, I thought he was just busting my chops

Back in 2019 I was working a shutdown at a paper mill in Savannah, and this guy named Red with 30 years in the trade kept telling me to flatten out my weld toes on every pass. I figured he was just being picky, so I ignored it for like three days straight. Then on Thursday, the QC guy flagged a whole row of my flux-core beads for stress risers. Had to grind back and redo six joints, cost me half a shift. Ever have a piece of advice you brushed off at first that later saved you a ton of headache?

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robertb47•17d ago

That old boilermaker from Local 74 set me straight on weld preheat

Ran into a retired guy named Frank at the supply house last week. He watched me grab a preheat setup for some 2 inch plate and just said "you're burning money if you're heating the whole thing." He showed me how he used to run a torch just along the weld zone back in the 70s. Been doing it his way for a week now, gas bill dropped by half. Any of you old-timers still preheat like that or am I missing something?