Had a buddy who swore up and down that his $30 Walmart sleeping bag was "basically the same" as my North Face one. So we went camping in the Ozarks in November. He spent the whole night shivering in his truck with the heater running while I slept fine in a tent. @gibson.sarah it's the same kind of thinking that says a cardboard box has the same R-value as down. Some people just have to learn the hard way I guess. Hope your buddy at least bought the first round of coffee the next morning.

Same pattern as people swearing cheap wine beats expensive bottles in blind taste tests.

hannahm39 exactly. My pour over timer is now my daily meditation bell.

Six months is fast, mine is still leaking from 2019.

Used to think those things were legit, now I'm with you.